In a general conference talk, Joseph Fielding Smith further explained that. The Book of Mormon also teaches that by coming unto Christ, one can escape the pains of hell experienced in this life. Conclusion The Prophet Joseph Smith would not countenance the teaching of this doctrine, and sanctioned the decision of the bishop that any who taught it should be barred from communion (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 125). Your email address will not be published. 9:710, 19, 26). lucifer. Thus, the second death is taught in conjunction with the first death, which came as a consequence of the Fall of Adam and Eve, and also with the Atonement of Jesus Christ, which redeems all of humankind from the first death through resurrection and the second death through repentance. Which would be a sure-fire way to know that a spirit is headed to Outer Darkness? Now go take a nap and rest well! Ray L. Huntington and Terry B. Delving into the interesting bits about any religion to stem from Joseph Smith Jr. Joseph F. Smith,The Second Death,inBrian H. Stuy (editor). The punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, D&C 19:10-12. I can give you more than plenty of examples of that. 21:8; see also 19:20). [2]. Ellipsis mine). what about that 1/3 the host of heaven who didnt follow Gods plan Joseph F. Smith was so sure qualify as Sons of Perdition were NONE of them women? Pingback: The Shunning Key by bwv549 - Mormon Bandwagon, A Son of Perdition is: Mormon doctrines are often contradictory and inconsistent. So why dont we get outer darkness too? In contrast, Book of Mormon references to the second death are embedded in sermons that teach it in context with other essential elements of the plan of salvation. St. Augustine wrote: Hell, which also is called a lake of fire and brimstone, will be material fire, and will torment the bodies of the damned, whether men or devilsthe solid bodies of the one, aerial bodies of the others; or if only men have bodies as well as souls, yet the evil spirits, though without bodies, shall be so connected with the bodily fires as to receive pain without imparting life. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220). Mormons believe that there Prophets are fallible and in no way perfect. Brigham Young University Professor Larry E. Dahl reported: The word hell appears sixty-two times in the text of the Book of Mormon. These are they who do two very specific things. 20:1314). While many Latter-day Saints bristle at the doctrine of hell (i.e., How could a loving God send His children to such a place?), they may have not considered the fact that these spirits were never given the chance to have a physical body because of the wrong choice they made in the preexistence. The Bible teaches that there is a devil and a hell, but the place of hell in the plan of salvation is taught best by the Book of Mormon. lift[ed] up his eyes and saw Abraham and Lazarus across an impassable gulf (Luke 16:23). 23:33). So I thought Id get it all out there in one simple post. He also saw a pale horse with a rider whose name was Death, and Hell followed with him (Rev. Learn how your comment data is processed. In the D&C, the definition of those who go to Outer Darkness is stated as: the end thereof, neither the place thereof, nor their torment, no man knows; Neither was it revealed, neither is, neither will be revealed unto man, except to them who are made partakers thereof;Nevertheless, I, the Lord, show it by vision unto many, but straightway shut it up again; Wherefore, the end, the width, the height, the depth, and the misery thereof, they understand not, neither any man except those who are ordained unto this condemnation (D&C 76:45-48). There are possible characteristics of a son of perdition. According to the churchs website: The followers of Satan who will suffer with him in eternity. (p. 273). Just one rebellion. Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List, You continue to fight against the true church, Those spirits who rebelled against God in the preexistence are the original sons of perdition. Twenty-nine times the word hell is used with descriptive modifiers, for example, depths of hell (1 Ne. Just because Hitler, Mao, and Stalin along with Judas Iscariot (as mentioned above) never became Latter-day Saints apparently provides them with a much higher privilegea life in the telestial kingdom over those who once believed but left the true fold, kicking and screaming in their continued fight against the restored church of Jesus Christ. In Jesus parable of the rich man and Lazarus, Jesus contrasted the afterlife state of the lowly Lazarus with that of the self-absorbed rich man. According to Smith: It is very clear in the Doctrine and Covenants Section 76:30-37, that the only persons who will be completely overcome by this dreadful fate are the sons of perdition who go with the devil and his angels into outer darkness. (Answers to Gospel Questions 5:107-108). With the exception of those who left the church and later rejoined, every other former Mormon left the church because they believed it is not true. there are two answers, one is being cast out of the presence of God which would be a form of darkness and the other is complete darkness without even the spirit of God in a spiritual realm as far as the light has an end, if thats possible. But wait! The Book of Mormon text confirms the truth of New Testament teachings on hell, second death, lake of fire and brimstone, and outer darkness. https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22. This is serving Satan. As Joseph Fielding Smith put it, those mortals who fit into this nebulous category of sons of perdition will suffer permanently while the worst of the worst sinners will suffer only temporarily before receiving a kingdom of glory. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire (Rev. Yea, they are grasped with death, and hell; and death, and hell, and the devil, and all that have been seized therewith must stand before the throne of God, and be judged according to their works, from whence they must go into the place prepared for them, even a lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment (2 Ne. The Sons of Perdition are those who have lived as mortal men and women on the earth, have had the heavens opened to them and received a certain knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, and then have rejected the Savior, "having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame" (Doctrine and Covenants 76:34-35; see also Doctrine and Covenants 76:3133, 3637). Outer darkness is a place reserved for the Devil, his angels, and the sons of perdition. It is an eternal destination, a place where very few (if any) human beings will ever be sent. 8:17), and endless hell (Moro. Outer Darkness, I always heard, was reserved for a handful of suckers like Cain and Judas who saw God and/or Jesus and were still rebellious. That last part of the previous sentence is very important. Then is the time when their torments shall be as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever; and then is the time that they shall be chained down to an everlasting destruction, according to the power and captivity of Satan, he having subjected them according to his will. Who will partake of it, and what is the nature of the eternal torment? Please note that FAIRMormon states it is not doctrine on the website. While some apparently have taught that these spirits could be restored to a kingdom of glory, 12th President Spencer W. Kimball said this wasnt true: In the days of the restoration there apparently were those who taught that the devil and his angels and the sons of perdition should sometime be restored. When the king asked, "Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?" ABCs of Science and Mormonism now available in Print from Amazon! Sorry ladies, you cant actually apostatize from the church, I guess (Someone tell Kate Kelly her excommunication is not valid!). One of these guests, however, appeared without the proper wedding attire. Therefore the Lord used Satans evil acts to accomplish his own purposes. The kingdom that is not a kingdom of glory is called outer darkness. 22:13). Source. Other sources used in composing this topic: http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_darkness#Usage_in_the_Latter_Day_Saint_movement, http://en.fairmormon.org/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Eventual_fate, http://emp.byui.edu/satterfieldb/quotes/Sons%20of%20Perdition.htm. The latter meaning is a place where the glory of God is completely absent, and is the place where Satan and his angels will reside. Because of the resurrection, the body and spirit of the wicked are restoredthe body from the grave and the spirit from hell to be judged. Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? Possibly but there is no citation there either. What qualifies a person to be a Son of Perdition? Again, the doctrine of the second death is woven together with other essential parts of the plan of salvation, offering the reader the big picture concerning Gods judgments. These spirits never received a mortal body necessary to progress to a kingdom of glory. Yet I never was baptized and confirmed into this church. Bruce M. Metzger and Michael D. Coogan (New York: Oxford University Press, 1993), s.v. Are the devils before the world created sons of perdition? In this context, outer darkness is the spirit prison, or that part of the spirit world that the wicked inhabit prior to their resurrection. Did I really have full knowledge? So there you go, the souls who end up in Outer Darkness are clearly apostates, or not. One of the messages of the Book of Mormon is that people sometimes lose the desire to repent. Because of their disobedience, these spirits ended up not receiving bodies, a necessary ingredient to progress to mortality and be qualified for one of the three kingdoms of glory. Source: https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf. As a young boy, I attended a two-week Christian camp. Mormons believe we existed before coming to Earth. (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881.). . You are taking quotes that are not Mormon Doctrine. So, in conclusion, I would have a hard time believing that you or billions of souls as you put will qualify for perdition even while taking Mormon beliefs into account. When I was Mormon, I was taught that in order to be sent to Outer Darkness (I'm a woman, that will be relevant in a second) you had to have an UNMISTAKABLE KnOwLeDgE of Christ, and then turn your back on God and deny him. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the tormented rich man in hell . . So I found one, by Joseph F. Smith, Thus we see that the first death which came into the world is also the last death which shall be pronounced upon the sons of perdition. (-Joseph Smith in the King Follett Discourse), There is my definition I used in my previous post. Nephis words can thus be applied to Jesus parable: the reason the rich man could not cross the great gulf to Abrahams bosom, or the reason the wicked could not join the Saints of God at the tree of life, is because the justice of God does not permit it. Whats interesting is that there are many former Mormons who still believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God and have a testimony of the Spirit of the Lord. However, their faith no longer is in the Jesus of Mormonism but the Jesus of the Bible. Finally, John saw that death and hell delivered up the dead to be judged according to their works, and death and hell were cast into [a] lake of fire (Rev. He was not ignorant, and therefore he became perdition, and they who followed him were sons of perdition, because he and they sinned knowingly. Jacob identified death and hell as temporal and spiritual death. The Book of Mormon speaks of only two groups who inhabit the postmortal spirit world: the righteous, who exist in a state of happiness called paradise; and the wicked, who are consigned to outer darknessthe wicked being those who have been captivated by the devil and who will be resurrected to an endless hell. . Circumcision. First, LDS Church scripture uses the term outer darkness to refer to a condition in the spirit world. Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church, Divine Love in the Fathers Plan (Dallin H. Oaks, April 2022). For many are called, but few are chosen." ; Mormon Temple Worship. Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? Banishment from the joys of heaven. Hence, the very worse lot in their lives will be the telestial kingdom. So get what they deserve. Yet how many sins and wrong choices has every humanincluding me and youmade? The city of Capernaum was upbraided for its lack of faith in view of the miracles Jesus performed there. 20:1315). They place themselves beyond the power of repentance and beyond the mercies of God. Generally, the outer darkness is thought to be hell; however, many Christians associate the outer darkness more generally as a place of separation from God or from the metaphorical "wedding banquet" that Jesus is expected to have upon his Second Coming . 2. Mormon Doctrine Lecture, #2, Brigham Young University, 1967.). But the children of the kingdom [i.e., covenant breakers] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth (Matt. Okay so clearly we have billions of souls who qualify as perdition and go to outer darkness according to one prophet in his personal books and not officially speaking as a prophet. [3] Larry E. Dahl, The Concept of Hell, in Doctrines of the Book of Mormon (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1992), 4243. We probably do not want to know how horrible it is just like in this life, some things that are so horrible that happen (especially to children) wed rather not know about it, if possible. Those who must suffer with Satan for the deeds done in mortality will go with him into outer darkness. Another name for Outer Darkness is hell. Jesus disciples were told not to fear those who could kill the body but to fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Matt. Those consigned to hell or outer darkness are partakers of the second death, and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone. In Mormonism, it depends. Severe punishment for eternity, reserved for Satan and his demons as well as the sons of perdition, those humans who once embraced Mormonism and left to fight against the faith, even though they knew Mormonism was true. 5:22), burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire (Matt. The views expressed . Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. If this is the case, the worst fate any former Latter-day Saint can anticipate is the telestial kingdom. The second death is a second separation from God, not because of Adams transgression (the first death) but because of ones own failure to repent of personal sin. Outer Darkness is the permanent location of Satan and his followers and the Sons of Perdition, who are not redeemed by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. T F According to a church manual, those who never were Mormon could never be sent to Outer Darkness. Temporary abode of the wicked. But to pass it off as a belief of an entire Church, organization and people is wrong. 12:22). Clean and Unclean Oh yes they did: after a man has sinned the sin against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for himlike many of the apostates of Christof the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Divine Love in the Fathers Plan (Dallin H. Oaks, April 2022). 5:30). Banishment from all progress. This extreme punishment will not be given to any but the sons of perdition. Italics in original). They once held membership in the church (through baptism/confirmation); They had full knowledge of their apostasy from the true and restored church of Jesus Christ; They continue to fight against the LDS Church despite their knowledge. (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 125). The first three are referred to as the three degrees of glory, often compared to the sun, the moon, and the stars ( D&C 76:70, 78, 98 ). 18:8), hell fire (Matt. ). J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881.
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